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This episode is all about media. What we're reading, what we're watching. Join us on a visual and literary journey into the FUTURE! Recorded on 2/28/2016.


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Mike & Matt's Recommended Reading:

Search Twitter for #PodernFamily

Pure Orgasmic Love podcast

Three Is Comedy podcast

Episode 249 - Future Of Bizness, with guest Steve Wells (2/25/2016)

Tim Wu's site

The Master Switch on Columbia Law

DarkNet on Showtime

Episode 232 - StupidSmartTV, on Smart TVs (12/22/2015)

Slysoft is gone forever – the end of an era, by Jan Willem Aldershoff (MyCE, 2/24/2016)

AnyDVD lives on as RedFox rises from the ashes of Slysoft, by Boyd Chan (Neowin, 3/5/2016)



Alpha: Welcome to another episode of Robot Overlordz, episode #250. On the show we take a look at how society is changing, everything from pop culture reviews to political commentary, technology trends to social norms, all in about thirty minutes or less, every Tuesday and Thursday.

Mike Johnston: Greetings cyborgs, robots, and natural humans. I’m Mike Johnston.

Matt Bolton: And I’m Matt Bolton.

MJ: And for this episode, we thought we’d do a little bit of a media brain dump again, and look at some of the media that we’ve been checking out. So I guess to start, we did, on Twitter, kind of join this collective of people that share podcasts, it’s called Podern Family. If you’re looking for good podcasts, I would highly recommend it, actually. As someone that’s doing podcasts, I think it’s a pretty neat and friendly group of people; there’s a pretty wide variety of podcasts in it. You can find it via the hashtag #PodernFamily, which is like “Modern Family,” except just replace the M with a P. So I’ve listened to two of them, two other podcasts recently. One is “Three is Comedy,” which is Bob, Mindy, and Jason, and they’re comedians, and they kind of share some stories. So I think it was episode #96 that I kind of started with, and I think you, Matt, would like that one, it’s got some funny beer myths in it.

MB: Cool, I’ll have to check it out.

MJ: Yeah. And so the other one I checked out is “Pure Orgasmic Love,” which is all about sex and relationships and stuff like that. So it’s a husband and wife team podcasting about that. They had some interesting perspectives; it’s definitely interesting. So there’s a pretty wide variety of podcasts in Podern Family, and they’ve been very friendly to us, so…  On our last episode, we had on Steve Wells from Fast Future Publishing, and they had sent us “The Future of Business” book, which we were really talking about that that episode. I actually did dig into the chapter by Calum Chace, who’s been a guest with us now twice, and I really liked that. I’m really looking forward to digging into that book more. I really haven’t had a chance yet, but it looks like they’ve got some pretty neat topics in that.

MB: Yeah, I like those books that are broken up so you can just kind of read at your own pace, and multiple authors so you don’t—because it’s a fairly sizeable book, it’s kind of almost daunting when you look at it, how many pages there are. But when you can break it down, it’s broken up by author, so you can just read little bits here and there. To me, I like books like that, because I know I’m an adult but I still don’t have the attention span to sit and read something that long.

MJ: [laughs] Yeah. Well, and what I thought was neat about it is, like you said, it is long—I mean, I’m looking at my copy now, it’s 566 pages—but Steve did give us a code for discount. So anyone that’s interested in checking it out, definitely, we included the code in the show notes for that previous episode, which was #249. I would definitely encourage people to check it out. I mean, 20% off is kind of nice.

MB: Yeah.

MJ: Other than that, I was just reading this book, which I’ve got to recommend, man, “The Master Switch” by Tim Wu. Tim Wu is the guy who coined the term Net Neutrality, which you and I talk about a lot. The book is just—it’s fuckin’ phenomenal man! Well, it plays to a lot of my interests, as you know, telecommunications… It covers the radio, movies, TV, cable TV, the internet—I mean, radio it splits up into AM and FM—and all those industries, how they got their start. And what was amazing to me to read in that book was how much that they were kind of like the early internet. What’s kind of worrying is you see the internet shifting to more of a centralized corporate model. I mean, we talked about Comcast buying NBC Universal and starting to preference their own services and things like that. So, that’s kind of worrisome when you look at the overall history of that industry.

MB: Yeah, I haven’t read the book, because I’m waiting for the movie… [laughs]

MJ: [laughs]

MB: ‘Cause we’ve talked about this subject a lot before, and you kind of look back and you see some of the ridiculous things that were said about certain things. I remember we had talked about when records were first introduced, they were basically saying that if you do that, nobody will ever go to a concert again—and we’re talking turn of the century… So, it doesn’t surprise me at all that these types of things are happening with the internet, too.

MJ: Yeah, I think it was John Philip Sousa who famously said about player piano rolls, with those kind of coming up, that within 20 years people would not be able to speak anymore because their vocal cords would atrophy, which is obviously ridiculous. I mean, what was that, 100 years ago now? And obviously we can still speak just fine.

MB: Yeah, a lot of people can’t type anymore because they text and they use that text shorthand, but still, we can all talk, so.

MJ: Yeah. Well, and as you know, I’m really interested in communications just as an industry because I think it kind of sets what you can and can’t either learn or communicate; it kind of dictates almost what you can think about.

MB: Yeah.

MJ: So, what have you been checking out for media lately? I mean, maybe we can diverge a little bit from books and start talking movies and TV.

MB: Yeah, I don’t read a lot of anything. [laughs] I just don’t have the attention span. I do read, but it’s, you know…

MJ: —On the web. Any good websites you been checking out lately?

MB: It’s menus and magazines. [laughs] No, I’m just kidding, I actually do read. Yeah, no… I stick to a lot of my Feedly stuff, and we’ve kind of been—you and I have both watched several episodes of the new series, “Dark Net,” which is a Showtime show about, well, it’s about a lot of different things. Every week it’s a different subject kind of relating to the darker sides of the internet and different things that happened on the internet. But so far I’ve been really impressed with the show.

MJ: Yeah, I’m really enjoying it. I mean, like you said, it is definitely the dark underbelly. [laughs]

MB: Yes.

MJ: I mean, the term “dark net” kind of makes my security geek self kind of cringe a bit. At least they’re not saying the deep web, you know? “Hurry up and put on that scuba gear, we’re going to the deep web!” [laughs] But the stuff they’ve talked about in the episodes I’ve watched—I mean, I have a couple now still to catch up on—but the stuff they’ve talked about, it’s fascinating, but it is also borderline kind of uncomfortable.

MB: Yes, very much so. I don’t know if you saw the third episode yet…

MJ: I did not yet. I haven’t had the chance to watch that.

MB: Okay, we won’t discuss that one. But the very first episode probably made me—actually almost made me angry. Now, I don’t want to discourage people from watching it because it’s an excellent show, but the guy, he’s dating this woman who basically controls him over the internet and it’s just…

MJ: It’s a BDSM kind of thing. I’m cool with almost whatever people are into, but I totally agree with you, I kind of got that angry reaction to it, that she gets off on his humiliation. Not only is he okay with that, but he gets off on it. That just… I mean… If that’s what you’re into, more power to you, but yeah, I had issues—as an outsider looking at their relationship, it did not look healthy to me.

MB: No, not at all. But for whatever reason, he seemed to think it was the greatest relationship ever, so who am I to judge? But yeah, holy cow, so… 

MJ: [laughs]

MB: But yeah, I think we’re on the sixth episode now, and I think it’s ten episodes total, for this season anyhow. But I’ve been impressed with it. If you’re at all interested in that kind of a little bit weirder edge of the internet, I definitely think it’s worth checking out.

MJ: I would totally agree, and I would maybe add, in terms of how society is changing, is that these things that are kind of edge or weird to us, gradually over time they do kind of move more mainstream. I mean, I don’t think that’s necessarily bad as long as it’s willing. I mean, for example, that relationship, or you had mentioned in one of our other episodes the love game, the guy in Japan that’s dating the love game avatar. There’s a certain point where those things cross the line. I mean, we’ve talked a lot about “Her” and sex robots obviously. I think a lot of those things sound great on paper and then you really kind of start digging into what they would actually mean in practice, where you’re manipulated or gamed by a love game or a virtual avatar… Or even if they get to the point of a convincing AI, if it’s not an actual consciousness, so if it’s just algorithms that you’re interacting with, those algorithms could be changing your behavior in ways that you don’t really think about. I mean, from that segment I was kind of thinking of how that guy was around actual women then, like he wasn’t really able to relate to them particularly, and he kind of kept rolling his eyes like he was bored, like, “Ugh, I can’t deal with you the way I’m used to dealing with the game mechanics of my love game.”

MB: Yeah, it’s almost—and like I said, I don’t want to judge other people—but it was almost to the point where I started to think that this guy kind of needs to talk to somebody, like a psychiatrist. Because I thought there were more deep-seated problems when you get to that point where you’re so dependent—I mean, he was taking basically his Gameboy out on dates, and they were on like one of those pedal boats out on a romantic lake and stuff, and he’s got this Gameboy with him, and that’s his date. I think you get to that point where it almost becomes a little bit weird. Like I said, who am I to judge? But when you can’t interact with other human beings on a normal level, then I think there’s an issue. Not to get into THAT whole discussion, but it was very interesting to watch.

MJ: Oh, I totally agree. I guess where I’m going with the “Her” connection is “Her” very much dramatized it. You know it’s Scarlett Johansson's voice, that that is an actual personality. And yet, you look at that love game segment from “Dark Net” and it’s not that far removed from—I mean, all it’s really missing is natural language interaction, which they’re working on like crazy. I’m sure they have stuff in the lab that’s better than Siri, as we’re always ripping on Siri, but it wouldn’t be that far off to presume that in 3 or 4 or 5 years from now, the love game is going to appear on the surface like “Her.” But will it actually BE like “Her,” or will it actually have more of a relationship still to this game, where it’s a bunch of algorithms and, you know, “Oh, buy these virtual shoes for me!” If you’re spending real money on that stuff, and if it starts negatively impacting your lives… I mean, I saw a piece recently about VR, as VR addiction, as that’s going to be the next thing. You know, they’ve talked for years about internet addiction.

MB: Yeah, it wouldn’t surprise me at all. I think VR has much more capability of turning into an addiction than probably any technology we’ve seen over the last several years, especially—we can cut this out if you want—I know you had said you had downloaded some porn to see what it would look like, and that it was like almost creepy the way it was realistic. I could see easily people becoming addicted to VR porn and, you know, basically not wanting to leave the house. And especially you’ve already got people who are addicted to video games, like “World of Warcraft” and that kind of thing. Now when you take that up a notch and basically put people IN the game, I can totally see the addiction level going through the roof with some of this stuff.

MJ: Oh I completely agree, because I think you get the good stuff that you want without the actual work and some of the bad that goes with actual human beings. Because let’s face it: human beings, a lot of times, suck!

MB: Well that and, let’s face it, you walk outside, walk around the block or whatever, it’s good for you, but it’s not exactly exciting. But if you can put on a virtual reality helmet and go fight dragons and wizards or whatever, or go to Paris and wander around, any of those types of things without leaving your house, you’re probably not going to leave your house because it’s going to be more exciting.

MJ: I would totally agree. I mean, that was the the thing, the intimacy that you get out of, for example, VR porn, it just, the potential to get things that you’re not able to get in your real life, I could see that being a real problem for people. And it does feel—I mean, it presses some of the same buttons that you would get in a human interaction, but I think there is some dissatisfaction knowing it’s fake. And that kind of brings up the question that always interested me in the original “Matrix” movie. The character Cypher kind of represents the side of “Does it matter if it seems real to you?” and kind of the premise of the “Matrix” is that it totally does matter. But if you’re getting experiences that you want and they’re only virtual, are you actually missing out on something?

MB: Yeah. Well, I think the other thing too is you’re going to have a lot of people who they’re going to want to escape reality, and VR I think makes it much easier to do that. So, you know, you have people who are in a bad situation or life sucks, and it’s easier to escape into this virtual world, and so I think you’ll see the addiction rates going up because of that, too.

MJ: Yeah. Well and speaking of, we haven’t really talked about it a whole lot, but Oculus announced their pricing; now there’s also the HTC Vive—I think the pre-orders, from when we’re recording this, I think they start tomorrow. So we’re really right on the cusp of that VR revolution. I’m interested to see where it goes, but of the two companies, I mean I know the Vive is more expensive, but I guess I don’t have the same trust issues with HTC as a company potentially as I do with Oculus’ owner, Facebook.

MB: Yeah, Facebook obviously has a lot more money behind it. HTC is actually a struggling company right now, so my big fear is that they’re not going to be around all that long or they’ll get bought out by somebody. But, you know, usually with any of these new technologies like this, you kind of have to look and see where the developers are going. I don’t know how you feel, but for me personally, I think I’m going to wait a year or so before I jump on the bandwagon just because, even though I love VR after trying out your Oculus, and I’d love to buy one, I don’t want to buy one and then have all the developers go to a different one. So, I think I’m just going to hold off until I see where… Plus, I think the price at some point has to come down. I know there’s a lot of technology wrapped up in them, but $600, that’s for the Oculus, and then what’s the HTC, is $800?

MJ: Yeah.

MB: Not to mention you’ve got to have a serious rig in order to run the thing. And then Playstation is coming out with theirs that’ll hook up to the PS4… So, there’s a lot of them coming out, it’s going to be interesting to see where the developers go. But for me personally, I think I’m going to wait a little bit.

MJ: Yeah, I’ll probably wait as well. I mean, I have the Oculus development kit, so I can always dip my toe in. I think the big area where you can’t see any direction—because you can kind of make some assumptions or guesses as far as what’s going to happen with the headsets now—but the control scheme is still wide open. And I continue to think that the direct brain interface stuff, which is coming up quick, I mean it’s still a lot of hobbyist stuff and a lot of lab stuff, but that’s really not that far off. I think that’s going to be a better solution, potentially. So, I think that’s going to delay things as they work out the control scheme. I mean that, to me, is my biggest frustration about using VR now, is that the look is awesome, but in terms of what you can do and where you can go, and how many cables there are with it and all that, it still feels kind of limiting. Honestly, the price to me isn’t as big a deal, I think, as it is for you. But then again, I’ve actually priced a bunch of VR stuff back in the 90s when VR was first coming around. Back then, the headsets were $3,000, you had to buy a separate head tracker, which was like another $500, and then, you know, you had to buy like a glove or something like that, which was like another $1,200. So pretty quickly you were up over $10,000. I mean to me, if you’ve got to spend, say, $800 on a headset, another $200 or $300 on controllers, and $1,500 on a gaming rig, that’s actually kind of cheap comparatively. But like you said, I think the price will come down over time.

MB: Yeah, I think the price will come down. And I look at it almost like whenever I buy a video game system—and yes, I still play video games, so you can make fun all you want, I don’t care—when I buy a video game system, I always wait at least a year because it takes a year or so for all the developers to really figure out the best way to make games for a particular system, especially when they’re new; plus, after you wait a year, there are always cheap games that have been out for a year, and then usually the price comes down. So, a year or so is usually a good… You know, I don’t mind spending the $600 or $800 or whatever it is. I mean, my computer will run the thing. The problem is I don’t want to spend all that money… Let’s say I decide to buy the Oculus. I buy the Oculus and then find out six months or a year from now that all the developers have decided to back the HTC or vice versa. I don’t want to get stuck with something like that. Because this is such a new technology, I would rather just wait, see where the thing rolls out to, and then make my decision from there.

MJ: Oh I completely agree. You mentioned video game systems, I think a year is usually a good mark. Usually by a year, there’s at least some good software out for a game system, whereas usually at launch they tend to be kind of weak. I actually think that it usually takes them five years to really learn the system, the ins and outs, and really have it tuned. But usually within the first year, they at least are on that road towards figuring it out. That reminds me of the HD DVD blu-ray or the 720p/1080p HDTVs and stuff, and how those shook out. I think that there is some benefit to not being on the bleeding edge.

MB: Yeah. Well, and you know, right now the big thing is 4K TVs. I don’t know about you, but I think 4K is going to be like 720 was a few years ago.

MJ: Totally agree.

MB: It’ll be out for a little while and then 8K is just right around the corner. And then what really cemented that idea for me was the fact that—I know you saw it, ‘cause I think you shared it on Twitter—the story about those little glass discs that can hold, what is it, 300 and some terabytes of data?

MJ: I thought it might even be the step about, is it petabyte that’s about terabyte?

MB: I thought it was like 300 terabytes, I could be wrong. But either way, it was more than enough to hold an 8K movie or whatever. ‘Cause right now the problem with 8K is the file sizes are so big, there’s nothing that’ll hold them.

MJ: There’s also some bandwidth constraints like in computers, on the buses and things. You’re talking about A LOT of data to push through. I think also if you look at 4K, they just came out with the HDR, High Dynamic Range standard for 4K, so all the stuff that people have bought for 4K now is already out of date.

MB: [laughs]

MJ: So, they’re only just now coming out with the HDR 4K stuff, and from what I’ve read about it, you don’t get a lot of benefit. Unless you’re talking a screen over 60 inches and, you know, you’re kind of up close to it, you’re not getting a lot of benefit out of 4K. But the HDR, that does provide a lot more natural-looking color. I just, I think they’re hitting that point of diminishing returns that happened with audio, when they tried to go to, what was it, DVD audio and SACD. Those formats flopped because I think people expect to get a certain amount of time out of their investments in these technologies.

MB: Well the other thing too is for a lot of people, a new big flat screen TV, plasma or whatever, it’s a big purchase. Especially a couple years ago, they were, you know, a thousand dollars or whatever. And for a lot of people, it’s a big investment and you’re planning on keeping it for several years, and now you’re asking people to, “Hey, we know you just bought that, but here’s one that’s slightly better. What don’t you get rid of that and buy this one?” I just don’t think people are willing to do that at this point. You look how two or three years ago everything was 3D. “Oh, all the new TVs are 3D, and 3D is going to be this and that!” 3D sucks! [laughs]

MJ: Totally. Totally.

MB: It sucks in the theater, it sucks in the home. I mean, even when it looks good, it just, I don’t know… It’s not something I would ever pay for ever, and it’s definitely not something I would ever trade in my current TV just so I could get that. And I think you’re seeing that, because if you notice, almost nothing is 3D now.

MJ: Yeah. I mean, I think 3D has a place, but it has a place like in VR. It doesn’t really have a place in standard entertainment because they don’t shoot well for it. I mean, the kind of shooting styles that they’ve developed for 2D entertainment don’t work well with 3D. I remember reading what James Cameron went through for “Avatar,” about how he taught himself a whole new film style, and I don’t think anyone else has done that. So to me, other than “Avatar,” there really isn’t a good 3D film. There’s films that have been converted or films that have been kind of forced into that mode, but there’s nothing really—there’s no gain to it. That’s true of a lot of these things that they try to push on you. The only thing I worry about is if they stop making TVs that don’t have that option and then they just force it on you. I mean exactly like, as you know my position on smart TVs, I think they’re stupid. But, you know, you can not use those features, but you can’t not buy them if that’s in every TV.

MB: Right. Well, the nice thing though is you just don’t have to set up the WiFi, or you don’t have to use the 3D.

MJ: For now.

MB: For now.

MJ: Well at least, when it comes to network connectivity, I worry about the day where the TV will not function until you connect it to the manufacturer over the internet, you know? If they do that, I’m going to be done buying TVs. I really dread that.

MB: [laughs] Yeah, I’m hoping we never get there, but I’m assuming some company, like Samsung or somebody, is going to decide that that’s what they want. So, let’s just hope that never happens, or at least that there’s a backlash if they try.

MJ: Yeah. Well, my workaround for that is then it’s only allowed out from like 3 to 3:02 in the middle of the morning, or something like that. But speaking of things that are not allowed, did you see the news about SlySoft?

MB: Yeah… [laughs] Maybe I shouldn’t act disappointed, but yeah, I actually read an article that you had shared on Twitter about how it’s going to basically screw up torrent sites and it’s going to take some extra time. There’s still DVDFab is out there, and there are a lot of programs that’ll crack this stuff, but going forward, it’s going to be interesting to see. Every time that something like this happens, when Hollywood takes on a smaller player and they basically force them out of business, they did it with YIFY earlier this year—YIFY, if you don’t know, is the guy who was responsible for all of the quality movies out on torrent sites and Hollywood squashed him But it’ll take six months or a year and somebody else will come along and fill that void, and I think it’ll happen with SlySoft too. There’s just too much demand, Hollywood sucks too much. If Hollywood was smart, they would figure out a way to get people the content they want at a reasonable price, but they just refuse to do that, so.

MJ: Well without DRM… I mean the thing that frustrates me is—I mean, I’ve been a SlySoft user, I’ve shared nothing on the internet with anyone, but I use it for myself to grab my blu-rays and put them into iTunes so I can watch them on my AppleTV. If I can’t do that anymore, I don’t want to buy anything from them, and it really kind of pisses me off that they feel like they have that right, because of our messed up copyright system, when, seriously, I paid for this. That’s what bugs me: I’m a paying customer and they’re lousy at servicing paying customers. It’s not like you can write them and say, “Hey, I was using this and you broke it, you jackasses!” I mean, that’s putting yourself on a list to get sued. Having watched Hollywood, as we’ve talked many times before, go through these battles, it’s a game of whack-a-mole. Like you said, someone else will pop up. All they do is they inconvenience the users, they piss people off, and they make you feel bad about supporting Hollywood films, and they make them more expensive.

MB: Yeah. As long as the internet exists, they’re never going to stop torrent sites, they’re never going to stop movie sharing and things. They’re just, they’re not. There’s too much of it out there… Talking about whack-a-mole, years ago obviously it was Napster and then Kazaa, the list goes on and on. There’s a whole scattered road of all these dead sites and things where you could share all this stuff. But all it does is it keeps driving all these things further and further underground, but it doesn’t make them go away and it never will. As soon as Hollywood accepts that and kind of does what the music industry did with 99-cent songs or $10 albums or whatever, make it easy, make it accessible, make it so that I can get the stuff that I want… And the music thing isn’t perfect and people still download, but at least there’s a way to do it. Hollywood with movies has made it so difficult and so onerous to even, like you said, own a DVD. Even if you own a blu-ray, you’re not supposed to do the things that you want with it. With a CD—I don’t do it anymore—but you would make mix CDs for yourself, or mixtapes or whatever. With Hollywood, you could never just take a movie—well, at least you’re not supposed to—rip it to your computer and use it the way you want to, which is, you know, whatever… Sorry, I’ll stop ranting now.

MJ: [laughs] No, no, I’m right there with you. I mean, I love the remix culture that has kind of grown up around this stuff. I mean, I’m sick and tired of FBI warnings, I’ve seen enough of them in my life that I know that—well, I’m also educated enough about copyright to know that it’s not as far-reaching as they try to scare you with those warnings. So, it’s really annoying. And the thing I worry about is they’re actually not trying to make it absolutely impossible, they’re just trying to make it impossible for enough people that it becomes a small fraction of what it has been. And I worry that they can get to that. Like you said, they’ll never get it off completely, but they could seriously cripple it. I think in the end, everyone loses when that happens. I’m more and more starting to look for the more open creators, the people that are fan-friendly rather than send my money to Hollywood. I mean, Disney is the perfect example. How many stories have we seen now about Disney offshoring, or treating their workers like crap, or just some of the anti-people things that they do. And I love the Marvel movies, which Disney owns. They’re starting to fall, almost like Facebook, for me.

MB: Yeah. Well, and the video game industry is along that same vein, where, well for PC games anyhow, you have to jump through all these hoops if you’re a PAYING customer. It’s almost easier just to be a pirate for video games because you don’t have to have the always-on internet connection… There’s all these restrictions that these companies put on games so that they can try and stop piracy, but it doesn’t stop piracy, the only thing it does is piss off your core users. Which is the same thing with blu-rays. I go out and buy a blu-ray for $20 or $25 and I get home and I’ve gotta sit through all these stupid previews I don’t even want to see, and then I’ve got to sit through an FBI warning and all this other dumb crap. Or I can just go onto a torrent site, and it’s not even so much the cost, but I can just download the movie, and you know what I get? I get the damn movie, because it starts right at the beginning where the logo is and it ends at the end of the credits, and I don’t have to sit through all the shit at the beginning that I don’t want to see anyhow. I paid my good money. If you think about it, a trailer is nothing more than a commercial. It’s a commercial for your product. So, I mean it would be like getting into your Ford car every day and before you start the ignition, you’ve gotta sit there and watch a Ford commercial for the new whatever car they have coming out so that they can sell you another one. It’s just, the whole thing is stupid. Sorry, I didn’t mean to get all hyperactive and rant-y there…

MJ: No, no, like I said, I’m right there with you. I would just tie that back to that “Master Switch” book that I recommended earlier. I think that, really, the problem I have with the direction the internet is starting to take is that they’re almost looking to implement an architecture of control where they shunt things off into ghettos, where ordinary people don’t them. That’s what was interesting to me about the Free Basics case in India, net neutrality. I’m sure we’ll be talking about that in future episodes, so we’re getting a little long here. But I still think that these are important issues, and if you think they don’t affect you, if you think that you can just get a streaming service and everything will be there… I mean, look at how stuff disappears from streaming services. I don’t trust streaming services, I don’t trust these providers, and more and more they’re proving that you shouldn’t trust them.

MB: Well yeah, there are sites that every month tell you exactly what’s leaving Netflix, what’s leaving Amazon Prime, and it’s a lot of movies. Now, granted they’re adding some too, but it’s a constant—instead of just taking all of the movies that are older that people aren’t going to buy anyhow and just putting them on there as opposed to this monthly purge that you have to go through, and, “What happened to that movie I was going to watch? Now it’s gone.”

MJ: Yeah, you’ll never get the celestial jukebox if you leave it up to them, because they’ll do like what Disney used to do. I mean, do you remember in the ‘80s when they used to vault their movies?

MB: Oh, yeah. I think they’ve quit doing that, haven’t they?

MJ: No, they still do it, but it’s much more rare now because people are used to just being able to go out and buy them. Particularly when DVDs got popular, people got used to being able to buy them, and own them, and you know what, Disney can’t tell you when you can and can’t watch it anymore. I think the problem is that the people running these corporations, they still want to go back to that model where they tell you. I really thought the internet was different. I am worried that they’re going to change it to make it like previous media. I’m sure we’ll be talking about this going forward, but this is why I care about this stuff.

MB: Yeah.

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MB: Thanks.

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